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I have been really eyeballing these but I am afraid to take the leap. Also, aren't they 24" scale, not 24 3/4"?

24 3/4 scale. I;ve been eying those too. But I don't want to spend 600 dollars on a duplicate guitar right now. I need an amp way more than I need another Cyclone.
I'd get the Shell Pink one.

Does not compute. Take mustang and make it shitter?? Is that the point? If this was fender Us I'd make some quip about imaginative R&D there what with the strat trem.

Oh Fender. You so square.

I thought Cyclones (Fenders at least) were all Mexican?

If the jagmaster is blatantly inspired by TEH KURDTZ jaguar, but with wanky strat trem.

THIS is like a poormans KURTZTANG.

wtf are you people on about? cyclone's are BAD ASS. i've always wanted a cyclone ii.

What he said.

so r these MIJ or made in Indonesia but with special run colors for the Japanese market?

AddamInsane wrote:If the jagmaster is blatantly inspired by TEH KURDTZ jaguar, but with wanky strat trem.

THIS is like a poormans KURTZTANG.

while the cyclone is sort of like a normalized jagstang (except in scale length, and trem type), but i'm quite certain the jagmaster is not kurdtz inspired at all. i was actually under the impression that it was based around this:

dots wrote:wtf are you people on about? cyclone's are BAD ASS. i've always wanted a cyclone ii.

fender MIM cyclone's are ok and cyclone ii's are cool, but the regular squier cyclones are shit. the only thing you can change the shit crap neck out with is a toronado neck.

dots wrote:wtf are you people on about? cyclone's are BAD ASS. i've always wanted a cyclone ii.

I've always liked them too. I almost bought a regular cyclone back in the day, but it sounded exactly like my strat that I put a seymour duncan humbucker in. I would still love a daphne blue Cyclone II one day though.

hotrodperlmutter wrote:

AddamInsane wrote:If the jagmaster is blatantly inspired by TEH KURDTZ jaguar, but with wanky strat trem.

THIS is like a poormans KURTZTANG.

i was actually under the impression that it was based around this:

They said that somewhere officially when it came out, but I think there was more of a kurdtz influence, given that they were originally closer to a Jaguar than the Jazzmasters Rossdale used, and the fact that nobody ever obsessed over Rossdale's equipment. I had a Guitar World from when their second album came out (so they were pretty big at the time) and while he briefly mentioned his guitars, he didn't appear to have knowledge of the difference between single coils and humbuckers (pondering why his Japanese Jazzy sounded so much janglier and prettier than his old purple one, pictured later in a capture from the Swallow video with ringed buckers installed... he implies mystic forces at play). There were no other pictures of guitars in the mag... it just didn't seem like a point of interest for Bush-conscious guitarists. People have always been trying to play teh kurdtz's guitar, including Rossdale (he also had a Roseland Stang in one of their early videos).

All of these guitars were just Nirvana-ready shorties/offsets IMO. They can start naming other players who copped his image for their own marketing purposes if they like, but I remember those guitars coming out and what bill they fit. The CIJ Jag-Stangs, Mustangs, Jaguars and Jazzmasters were all made unavailable around that time also, and everyone had been bitching on the internet/to fix-it columns in guitar mags about having to lock down the bridges and install less squealy/more ballsy pickups anyway. They increased the scale lengths for the same reason they used strat bridges: to increase the versatility of the guitar. Guitar Player magazine reviewed the Cyclone and Toronado together when they were released and made numerous references to them being "rock-ready" versions of the '60s oddball Fenders that had been disappointing kids with teh kurdtz, the reviewer going as far as to point out the problems with attempting modern (read: PANTERA) techniques/set-ups on a Mustang/Jaguar.

Things have changed a lot since then, namely things like the HH Jag, CP HH Jag, Pawnshop Stang, Blacktops and Squier Jaguars being released. It's easy, given the abundance of those types of guitars in the current Fender catalogue, to overlook these early attempts as such, but they were. I see all of these guitars as aiming for the same general demographic.

Okay okay the cyclone 2 is kind of interesting but would prefer stop tail or non strat trem on it. I just don't like the look of strat trems on offsets with a lot of trunk-junk behind the bridge.

Isn't $540 a lot for a Squier? Special run or not, I wouldn't.

american cyclones are the most rare. and most awesome

I own a mexican cyclone I and i think it's a really great guitar.
I've heard the squier-ones are not as good as the fenders and with some luck you get a fender-one secondhand for the same price...

OKay I'd own that one^^^

Comp yellow/orange wins

Billy3000 wrote:

dots wrote:wtf are you people on about? cyclone's are BAD ASS. i've always wanted a cyclone ii.

I've always liked them too. I almost bought a regular cyclone back in the day, but it sounded exactly like my strat that I put a seymour duncan humbucker in. I would still love a daphne blue Cyclone II one day though.

completely my experience, too, except back when i was gawking at them, i had no experience with nor knowledge of the difference in scale length and whathaveyou. i actually LOVED my toronado special, through and through, once i started playing it out a lot, so apparently gibson scale don't confront me at all. the feel of necks on japanese guitars (in my experience) has been a little less consistent than MIM and MIA.