New Gibson Modern XI...oh what the frack!
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:10 pm
Mahogany body? Weird headstock? Sure glad I didn't preorder one
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:31 pm
the problem you have with that guitar is the head stock and the wood the body is made out of?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:42 pm
Sure,it's supposed to be a reissue.Everybody who pre-ordered one was expecting it to look like this.SKC Willie wrote:the problem you have with that guitar is the head stock and the wood the body is made out of?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:48 pm
lulzSKC Willie wrote:the problem you have with that guitar is the head stock and the wood the body is made out of?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:02 pm
hotrodperlmutter wrote:lulzSKC Willie wrote:the problem you have with that guitar is the head stock and the wood the body is made out of?
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:05 pm
i dunno, i don't mind it.
i suppose i'd prefer the old headstock.
as far as wood goes, i don't really care much
i would prefer chrome hardware
i suppose i'd prefer the old headstock.
as far as wood goes, i don't really care much
i would prefer chrome hardware
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:30 pm
the original headstock is one of the worst headstock designs in the history of guitars. it's as dysfunctional as it is ugly. anything would be massive improvement over the original. this guitar looks fine to me. maybe the best of all the moderne variations we've seen over the years.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:02 pm
This.Mages wrote:the original headstock is one of the worst headstock designs in the history of guitars. it's as dysfunctional as it is ugly. anything would be massive improvement over the original. this guitar looks fine to me. maybe the best of all the moderne variations we've seen over the years.
I can see why people would prefer they had a Korina body like the originals, but I think Vees and Explorers make enough of a case for a mahogany version.
The old headstock was worthless in every respect... they used the Futura headstock here so the guitar would stay remotely in tune, I imagine.
Anyone who preordered one is a damn fool anyway... why drop that much scratch on something before it's built? It's GIBSON. Forgetting the Alex Lifeson disaster already?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:53 pm
this is one ugly thread.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:41 am
korina wood, a trademarked name for limba, a wood similar to but lighter in color than mahogany
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:58 am
What's this all about?paul_ wrote:Forgetting the Alex Lifeson disaster already?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:49 am
There was an infamous Gibson forum thread regarding a limited run of 300 Alex Lifeson signature ES-355s in 2008 (AL-001 - AL-300).BillClay wrote:What's this all about?paul_ wrote:Forgetting the Alex Lifeson disaster already?
After preorders were taken there were numerous delays, the date was pushed back a few times over a couple months, Gibson gave no answers on when it would ship and no reason for the delay... a rep/admin wouldn't address it with any real detail until eventually saying "all the guitars are going to be built out pretty rapidly, so don't panic if they hit GC before you guys" ... when the guitars did eventually ship they had everything from basic design issues (volute placed behind middle of first fret) to shoddy QC (glue drips, uneven binding, many instances of high woodchip/sawdust content in the cases' interiors). It was also deduced by many that apart from the [misplaced] volute they were just run-of-the-mill modern 335 guitars without the specs of the original they claimed to replicate (different body shape and neck profile). Gibson removed "VOS" from the guitar's official web description AFTER this was said on the forum.
After someone stating that the AL threads were "depressing" because of all the complaints about Gibson's service/QC surrounding such an expensive custom shop instrument, the usually-mum Gibson rep replied "no kidding. Maybe we should all get off the internet and play guitar." When someone later described the guitar as "defective" he replied "The guitar is not defective." And when countered with the fact that many had complained of issues with the finish/binding/electronics/hardware he said "and most of those issues would be covered under warranty if people actually wanted them addressed."
The guitars cost around $4000. The nicest posts about them generally go along the lines of "I'm happy with mine... I don't play much on the first fret anyway."
http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topi ... on-es-355/
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:58 am
paul_ wrote:There was an infamous Gibson forum thread regarding a limited run of 300 Alex Lifeson signature ES-355s in 2008 (AL-001 - AL-300).BillClay wrote:What's this all about?paul_ wrote:Forgetting the Alex Lifeson disaster already?
After preorders were taken there were numerous delays, the date was pushed back a few times over a couple months, Gibson gave no answers on when it would ship and no reason for the delay... a rep/admin wouldn't address it with any real detail until eventually saying "all the guitars are going to be built out pretty rapidly, so don't panic if they hit GC before you guys" ... when the guitars did eventually ship they had everything from basic design issues (volute placed behind middle of first fret) to shoddy QC (glue drips, uneven binding, many instances of high woodchip/sawdust content in the cases' interiors). It was also deduced by many that apart from the [misplaced] volute they were just run-of-the-mill modern 335 guitars without the specs of the original they claimed to replicate (different body shape and neck profile). Gibson removed "VOS" from the guitar's official web description AFTER this was said on the forum.
After someone stating that the AL threads were "depressing" because of all the complaints about Gibson's service/QC surrounding such an expensive custom shop instrument, the usually-mum Gibson rep replied "no kidding. Maybe we should all get off the internet and play guitar." When someone later described the guitar as "defective" he replied "The guitar is not defective." And when countered with the fact that many had complained of issues with the finish/binding/electronics/hardware he said "and most of those issues would be covered under warranty if people actually wanted them addressed."
The guitars cost around $4000. The nicest posts about them generally go along the lines of "I'm happy with mine... I don't play much on the first fret anyway."
http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topi ... on-es-355/
What a fucking joke.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:06 pm
Holy crap.. I mean, you can kinda understand some QA oversights (still inexcusable for the price point), but to design a neck that is so flawed is fucking mental.
Unless it was some kind of machining error? Still ridiculous, though.
Unless it was some kind of machining error? Still ridiculous, though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:45 pm
I suppose Gibson assumed they'd be bought by lawyers and doctors and never played much
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:10 pm
SKC Willie wrote:this is one ugly thread.
+1
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:15 pm
I would argue that nearly all gibson necks have somewhat of a design flaw given their track record with breakage.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:26 pm
"Features bulkier headstock joint for centuries of vacuous, wall-based display!"littlericky wrote:I suppose Gibson assumed they'd be bought by lawyers and doctors and never played much
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:32 pm
The Moderne XI looks like one of the replica's built by Glen Miller:
"Luthier Glen Miller (no relation to the late swing bandleader) manufactures Moderne, Explorer, and Flying V replicas at Wrona’s House of Violins in Lewiston, NY. Miller began performing repairs shortly after getting his first guitar in 1970, and learned his trade in the shop of the late vintage guitar dealer Dan Hairfield. In 2003, Miller found a source for original Gibson parts.
“I had been searching for a Moderne and came across a listing for some supposed original Moderne parts,� he says. “I contacted the seller, who had been a Gibson subcontractor and was fortunate enough to have attended the auction [when they closed up] the Kalamazoo factory in 1984. He purchased many bodies, necks and other hardware, but then put the parts in his storage area and forgot about them. I made a deal for most of the stuff he had, including original ‘82 Moderne bodies and necks, plus ten Gibson logos.�
Glen Miller and Ray Davies
"Luthier Glen Miller (no relation to the late swing bandleader) manufactures Moderne, Explorer, and Flying V replicas at Wrona’s House of Violins in Lewiston, NY. Miller began performing repairs shortly after getting his first guitar in 1970, and learned his trade in the shop of the late vintage guitar dealer Dan Hairfield. In 2003, Miller found a source for original Gibson parts.
“I had been searching for a Moderne and came across a listing for some supposed original Moderne parts,� he says. “I contacted the seller, who had been a Gibson subcontractor and was fortunate enough to have attended the auction [when they closed up] the Kalamazoo factory in 1984. He purchased many bodies, necks and other hardware, but then put the parts in his storage area and forgot about them. I made a deal for most of the stuff he had, including original ‘82 Moderne bodies and necks, plus ten Gibson logos.�
Glen Miller and Ray Davies
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:45 pm
XI is non attractive guitar for me 
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But about Alex Lifeson issue... unbelievable, like some of you guys said - a joke
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Only - a bit expensive joke.
.But about Alex Lifeson issue... unbelievable, like some of you guys said - a joke
.Only - a bit expensive joke.