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NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:52 pm
by gusman2x
So, I was really excited to get an olympic white jag when I heard they were coming out. I had been considering getting a mij, but couldn't really justify the expense (or extravagance).

I wanted to play it before buying it, and the first place to get one in Manchester was PMT. Thet got them in, but only CAR and SG. They said they had 3 white ones in Leeds, and would happily fire one over for me to try. I was kind of worried they'd send the pig, and leave the good ones on the floor in Leeds. This is pretty much what they did. The guitar played nice, but the neck was ugly as sin. Loads of weird discolouration, flame and knots. The headstock was just as bad. I played a CAR one, which was nice, and the neck was absolutely fine on it. One neck swap later, and we were good to go.

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Some observations so far

Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm. The paint (on mine anyway) isn't superb. There's a couple of points where I can see the undercoat, where it must have been over buffed. There are some of those little black dirt specs. The pocket fits nice, but is a bit untidy. It's hard to say, but it just feels less well put together.

The neck is the exception though (and the most important thing to me). It's got a great finish, is a perfect shape and size, and the frets are almost as good as any new guitar I've played.

Sounds are hard for me to gauge really. I've never had a jag before, and when I got it home, it kinda sounded pretty shrill to me. I've been mostly playing with the tone knob backed off a quarter. I'm getting used to the pick ups now, and have dialled in my pedals to suit. I'm starting to really like the sounds. It's very different, but that's good. I may swap the pickups out at some point. I've never done that before, so this may be my learn to do things guitar.

Setup was OK I suppose. The tech at the shop tweaked the neck and set the saddle height as he was putting it back together. Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this :) Tuning isn't as solid as the jmjm, and trem use seems to put it out quicker. the trem rattles a bit with abuse, so maybe a fender one will solve that.

Overall, really starting to love playing this. Which is good, because I hated it for the first two days :lol:

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:05 pm
by Fran
gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it :wink:

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:23 pm
by Mike
Great stuff! Jags are idiosyncratic, loads of people can't be bothered or can't get on with them, but if you persevere they're well worth thew effort.

Looks lovely in white

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:14 pm
by gusman2x
Fran wrote:
gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it :wink:
They're not a million miles away. The playability, and probably sounds are as good (different of course), but the build quality and certainly finish are definitely below the jmjm. To be fair though, the jmjm was a complete and unexpected gem
Mike wrote:
Great stuff! Jags are idiosyncratic, loads of people can't be bothered or can't get on with them, but if you persevere they're well worth thew effort.
Yeah, I think I'm getting bitten by the bug for sure.

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:35 pm
by xrleroyx
I think I'm going to buy the VM Mustang. I'd buy the jmjm but having 2 jazzmasters (while awesome) wouldn't really be useful to me. I HAVE been thinking about the jag, and your review is pretty much what I expected from it.

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:27 pm
by Fran
gusman2x wrote:
Fran wrote:
gusman2x wrote:Build quality and finish are nowhere near as good as the jmjm.
Bah, i was hoping these would be but to be fair the JMJM is the more expensive model.
Still, it looks great and good to hear you are liking it :wink:
They're not a million miles away. The playability, and probably sounds are as good (different of course), but the build quality and certainly finish are definitely below the jmjm. To be fair though, the jmjm was a complete and unexpected gem
Im pleased i went for the JMJM now, it was that, the Marauder or one of the new Jags.
Anyway, sorry to hijack. If i get some proper spare cash i still think i'll still get one of these.

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:20 pm
by paul_
Mike wrote:Great stuff! Jags are idiosyncratic, loads of people can't be bothered or can't get on with them, but if you persevere they're well worth thew effort.
+1

Took me years to figure out all the modifications I'd done had been hasty, and without them it would be the most fun/unique guitar in my collection. I think not having it as my main axe during a developmental stage was a key step though.

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:03 am
by robrtnickerson
I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.

Sorry, nice Jag too.

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:25 pm
by gusman2x
robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.

Sorry, nice Jag too.
Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!

Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:27 pm
by gusman2x
Fran wrote:Im pleased i went for the JMJM now, it was that, the Marauder or one of the new Jags.
Anyway, sorry to hijack. If i get some proper spare cash i still think i'll still get one of these.
Yeah, I think pound for pound, the the jmjm would be the best choice. It really is an unreal guitar for the money, it's just a shame I get thumb pain with the neck. Maybbe I'll just man the fuck up :lol:

My mate I jam with is a dyed in the wool strat/tele/LP/SG man, and never considered a jazzmaster. Ever time I take it round, he's like "This is amazing". Which it is

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:22 pm
by NickD
gusman2x wrote:
robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.

Sorry, nice Jag too.
Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!

Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats
My Silverface Twin does that too. It's a design fault.

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:08 am
by robrtnickerson
NickD wrote:
gusman2x wrote:
robrtnickerson wrote:I couldn't help but notice the Vibrolux. I just picked one up but have yet to be able to play it as it's in the shop for a bit of restoration/repair. I'm quite anxious to play it.

Sorry, nice Jag too.
Man, you're gonna looooooooooove it!

Mine ticks like a bastard when the vibrato is switched on, but to be honest, just the reverb is enough for me. Best sounding thing in the world to me. Congrats
My Silverface Twin does that too. It's a design fault.
Mine is basically needing everything done to it that you might expect a 40 yr old amp to need plus some. So I'll have to wait 'till I get the scratch to pay the ampman. If the tick is a design flaw then my life will have to continue as it has up to this point...no vibrato :cry:

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:14 am
by MattK
Mine too. If you're brave there is a fix which just involves adding a capacitor and bunching some wires:
Vintage Amps Forum thread
(note the presence of our beloved Shortscaler Pat on that forum too, he's everywhere!)

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:31 am
by singlepup
gusman2x wrote:Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this :)
Pardon my stupidity, but what is PTFE? Could you expand on this?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:02 am
by othomas2
Phuk.The.Frikin'.Ears ..... Tape

Re: NGD - VM Jag

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:21 am
by gusman2x
singlepickup24 wrote:
gusman2x wrote:Once I got it home, I noticed how much the stock bridge was rattling (so fucking bad). Wrapping the bridge screws and posts in PTFE has completely solved this :)
Pardon my stupidity, but what is PTFE? Could you expand on this?
Polytetrafluoroehtylene, plastic tape for engineers, or plumbers tape. Basically that soft white stretchy tape you get in hardware shops. It forms the tradesman's triangle, with silicone and duct (gaffer) tape :)

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:42 am
by singlepup
thanks! gonna experiment with this...