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Squier Jaguar or Jazzmaster?
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:33 pm
by Awstin
Been dying to get one so I am gonna get one in Florida but not sure which one I want. A lot of people on here have one of each. I have a vm jazz in butterscotch but I'm just not happy with that. Is the new jazzmaster much better? What do you guys think?
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:06 pm
by speedfish
If you suffer with perfect pitch you will be better served with the Jazzmaster instead of the Jaguar due to the difference in scale length and how it affects string tension and how the notes sound when they are fretted or played together. The concensus here seems to lean toward the J Mascis Jazzmaster as the better of the Squier Jazzmasters, but I do love the colors that Squier offers in the vintage series.
edit: removed intonation for string tension...
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:27 pm
by Awstin
Well I really love the 24" scale. I play much better with that but I love the playing my tele. Maybe it's just that squier series. I still haven't seen either of these new guitars in personal yet.
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:10 pm
by George
speedfish wrote:If you suffer with perfect pitch you will be better served with the Jazzmaster instead of the Jaguar due to the difference in scale length and how it affects intonation. The concensus here seems to lean toward the J Mascis Jazzmaster as the better of the Squier Jazzmasters, but I do love the colors that Squier offers in the vintage series.
Scale length and intonation? I don't recall any problems with my jag
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:47 pm
by speedfish
George wrote:speedfish wrote:If you suffer with perfect pitch you will be better served with the Jazzmaster instead of the Jaguar due to the difference in scale length and how it affects intonation. The concensus here seems to lean toward the J Mascis Jazzmaster as the better of the Squier Jazzmasters, but I do love the colors that Squier offers in the vintage series.
Scale length and intonation? I don't recall any problems with my jag
Georgie boy,
Don't want to open up a can of worms, so I removed intonation and replaced it with string tension... The effect isn't noticed when the string is played open or with an open harmonic, as when setting intonation, but can be experienced when chording or noting frets. Here's a quote from Tim Shaw that decribes better what I mean: " When you play a chord on a short-scale guitar, like most of the Gibsons used for blues, the strings 'blend' well and sound like a family singing together, like the Everly Brothers. On the other hand, chords played on the long-scale sound more like hired professional singers---clean and perfect, but without the blend." I like the blend, but have friends who have perfect pitch and they are continuously trying to tune the guitar to get that clean perfect sound that just isn't possible with the shorter scale. I also dig the short-scale because bends and left hand reach are much easier than with the long-scale and obviously I don't suffer with perfect pitch either. Sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused.
Cool?
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:14 pm
by Mike
LOL
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:26 pm
by Fran
Georgie Boy, you handsome devil......
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:05 am
by George
speedfish wrote:Georgie boy,
Don't want to open up a can of worms, so I removed intonation and replaced it with string tension... The effect isn't noticed when the string is played open or with an open harmonic, as when setting intonation, but can be experienced when chording or noting frets. Here's a quote from Tim Shaw that decribes better what I mean: " When you play a chord on a short-scale guitar, like most of the Gibsons used for blues, the strings 'blend' well and sound like a family singing together, like the Everly Brothers. On the other hand, chords played on the long-scale sound more like hired professional singers---clean and perfect, but without the blend." I like the blend, but have friends who have perfect pitch and they are continuously trying to tune the guitar to get that clean perfect sound that just isn't possible with the shorter scale. I also dig the short-scale because bends and left hand reach are much easier than with the long-scale and obviously I don't suffer with perfect pitch either. Sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused.
Cool?
Now it all makes sense.
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:09 am
by Billy3000
Is the butterscotch one that you have the one with the stupid bridge instead of the real jazzy bridge? If so then yes the new ones are infinitely better! I picked up a few of the ones with the weird bridges and never liked any of them. The frets felt sharp, and the bridge made it uncomfortable to play. The new ones feel really really nice.
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:05 am
by Awstin
Billy3000 wrote:Is the butterscotch one that you have the one with the stupid bridge instead of the real jazzy bridge? If so then yes the new ones are infinitely better! I picked up a few of the ones with the weird bridges and never liked any of them. The frets felt sharp, and the bridge made it uncomfortable to play. The new ones feel really really nice.
Yep that's the one. Does it feel like a real fender?
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:17 am
by Johnny Noir
i'm gonna buy the jazz instead of the jag because the neck is thinner and the guitar is lighter.
i like both sounds and scales.
but my main guitar stay a mustang
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:31 pm
by paul_
Chevy Chase has perfect pitch and his entire career was short-scale.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:34 pm
by singlepup
I'm preferring the JM, but (right now) I like the thinner neck and longer scale. I think you should go Jag.
Honestly, you can't really go wrong. Like Billy said, both are much better than the previous Squier offset series.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:38 pm
by singlepup
Punkacc9 wrote:Does it feel like a real fender?
What is a real Fender? Do you mean an AVRI? MIJ? Vintage?
Even Fenders made in the same factory a few minutes apart can feel different.
Generally speaking, these new Squiers feel pretty damn good though.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:55 pm
by mkt3000
Punkacc9 wrote:Billy3000 wrote:Is the butterscotch one that you have the one with the stupid bridge instead of the real jazzy bridge? If so then yes the new ones are infinitely better! I picked up a few of the ones with the weird bridges and never liked any of them. The frets felt sharp, and the bridge made it uncomfortable to play. The new ones feel really really nice.
Yep that's the one. Does it feel like a
real fender?
It is a real Fender.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:20 pm
by othomas2
Honestly, my Mustang is great... with a little attention any of these new vintage modified guitars are worth the cash.
They're a perfect platform for all sorts. I gave mine the Kurty treatment unintentionally, and it feels solid as rock.
One thing I'm impressed by over my Japanese Jag is the fretwork and there is tones of sustain on these in comparison to your general shortscale / offset. Smae setup on each: Cool Rails and Tunomatic.
The Squiers feel like they are lacking in a little depth and personality which I find apparent with more expensive instruments.
The basswood body doesn't help perhaps, the majority of the sound seems to come from the neck I find. Think about that when trying the next Squier. I can't get over it now someone mentioned it to me.
Understanding where they come from and the price paid they're really good. I certainly wouldn't sell my Chinese made Squier and invest in a Japanese one. The additional money is unjustified.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:30 pm
by Noirie.
othomas2 wrote:The Squiers feel like they are lacking in a little depth and personality which I find apparent with more expensive instruments.
I'd agreed with that. I had a VM Jazzmaster for a short while and it was alright. I think with a thinner more vintage styled neck I would of kept it.
I hope these are still about in a couple months time. Would like an Olympic White next time around.
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:28 pm
by Awstin
I mean with body wood of let's say a classic player jag in comparison and neck feel.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:49 am
by singlepup
othomas2 wrote:I certainly wouldn't sell my Chinese made Squier and invest in a Japanese one. The additional money is unjustified.
Which one are we talking about here? Your Mustang was built a bit further south
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:49 am
by othomas2
Oops, I mean Indonesian, but likewise with the majority or Chinese stuff like the Classic Vibe series.