Yo locking tuners are a waste of time

George · Post by **George** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:59 pm

They came on the used strat neck I bought

Only thing they do is make it easier to string up by like 1 minute and cost a lot more

Just George here letting you know

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:00 pm

i agree that locking tuners are not worth the extra 30 bucks a set.
slot head klusons all the way!

George · Post by **George** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:02 pm

Slot Klusons for life

Nice and tidy. Look the best also

Gabriel · Post by **Gabriel** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:04 pm

I've got Sperzels on my G&L, I really like them. I used to have the Gotoh ones and hated them because they broke strings in the locking mechanism, but the Sperzels have a really nice design and when you have to change strings every couple of weeks they make the job much easier.

George · Post by **George** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:08 pm

I suppose if you're changing strings all the time on multiple guitars they might be of use

Sloan · Post by **Sloan** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:10 pm

I agree. I just got some locking sperzels, and while I love the way they look, they don't really offer any benefit other than being able to lock things down while tuning/detuning.

Concretebadger · Post by **Concretebadger** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:43 pm

My Mustang has slotted head tuners, the JM has those slotted tuners where you poke the end into the centre, and my Epi has standard posts and holes through them. I've never experienced tuning instability or string replacement problems with any of them, so I can't see the point of fixing something that ain't broke.

Bear in mind though that I've never used locking tuners, and string replacement isn't something I consider to be problematic since I've never been on stage, frantically trying to replace a string mid-set. I generally take my time over replacing strings; it's almost therapeutic.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:47 pm

You guys ARE pulling the string tight before locking yes? Not having multiple wraps that slightly increase tuning issues particularly with heavy trem use right? Because that's what they do very well and are therefore not a waste of time at all. 18 years I've had a set. Sperzls are better for heavy trem, but klusons are still my fave.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:59 am

I can get like less than a wrap average on my Kluson slotted heads. How much less wrapping do you expect me to get with locking tuners?

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:23 am

SOME OLD MAN TOLD ME A LONG TIME AGO THAT THE MORE WRAPS YOU HAVE ON YOUR POST THE MORE SUSTAIN YOU GET.

ANY TRUTH ?

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:24 am

sorry but depends on locking tunners you talking about

Gotoh Sealed S38Â´s and Shallers M6 lock real does difference on tremolos along graphite/graphtech nut.

you feel it hardly goes of tune when proper set up.

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:35 am

robroe wrote:SOME OLD MAN TOLD ME A LONG TIME AGO THAT THE MORE WRAPS YOU HAVE ON YOUR POST THE MORE SUSTAIN YOU GET.

ANY TRUTH ?

Zakk Wylde does that

dunno if does any difference

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:03 am

I believe BB King spread the multiple wraps sustain thing. Don't agree. It's just more moving parts to fuck with your tuning. Minimal wraps for life yo.

George · Post by **George** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:39 am

But I do all the string pulling stuff and correct number of winds on all my tuners and get no issues. I guess I don't dive bomb though.

regarding wraps around the post, I've heard the more winds means more break angle so slight change to compliance? All probably bollocks. I just like having 2-3 winds cos it looks tidy and has no issues. I achieve this by snipping the string 2 posts further than the intended post (little more for the the b and top e). That's why I like slot klusons, they always look dead dapper and no snaggy strings coming off

George · Post by **George** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:43 am

Also I should add that most tuners are designed to have a few winds on them otherwise they unravel. As long the winds aren't too crowded so they are grinding off each other or overlapping they're fine

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:43 am

I've never had slotted tuners unwind on me with the 1/2 to 3/4 wraps I usually do. On the treble strings I usually give it a couple more.

As for the standard through-hole tuners, I can usually manage with just over 1.5 wraps and they never unwind either.

Tuners really don't need much extra string.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:19 am

Dave wrote:I believe BB King spread the multiple wraps sustain thing. Don't agree. It's just more moving parts to fuck with your tuning. Minimal wraps for life yo.

This, all the way and forever. Two-and-a-half times round is optimum; any less, and you lose grip, more and you lose tuning stability.

johnnyseven · Post by **johnnyseven** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:50 am

benecol wrote:
Dave wrote:I believe BB King spread the multiple wraps sustain thing. Don't agree. It's just more moving parts to fuck with your tuning. Minimal wraps for life yo.
This, all the way and forever. Two-and-a-half times round is optimum; any less, and you lose grip, more and you lose tuning stability.

I like 2 wraps on the E and A string and 3 on the others. I've not broken a string playing for at least the last 5 years and don't seem to have any issues with tuning stability.

weeping_moon · Post by **weeping_moon** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:51 pm

Once bought fender locking tuners to change tuning stability on a strat i have. Didnt work. Now i use them on a mexican strat that dosent have the original tuners anymore. Cant say its better tuning stability but easy as hell to re-string.

toez10 · Post by **toez10** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:14 pm

I picked up some Fender locking Tuners, because they were only a few dollars more than standard tuners - I think they were $40 or something lke that. I like them quite a bit on my Jazzmaster VI - I'm not sure they are incredibly more reliable than properly wrapped standard tuners, but I like how easily I can change my strings, and I like having less than a full wrap on my tuning posts. I've never found a set of locking a tuners that I though revolutionized guitar tuning, because the tuning stability is always going to be affected by a wide range of environmental factors.