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need help from Kluson history nerds

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:03 pm
by robroe
My 64 mustang has double row white button klusons on it.

at some point in its life one broke and a single line kluson white button was replaced.

im trying to figure out when they went from double row to single row? so i can get some kind of idea the age of the repair.

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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:21 pm
by smokes
I've got a 61 duo sonic neck that has single row tuners - the say 'deluxe' down the middle, like your replacement one. I assumed these had never left the neck. Does that mean that mine are all replacements? :evil:

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:25 pm
by robert(original)
thats a really good question! im not sure tho, i can't remember what my 59 duo sonic had, i think they were single row tho....... i wish i had some pics somewhere to prove or disprove this.
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:30 pm
by smokes
So the replacement on the Mustang could be an older tuner than the rest? In which case your not finding out when the repair was made. Pisser.

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:35 pm
by robert(original)
single line it is! THO!!!! these tuners were not original to this neck! I am alsmot 100 percent sure that they are era correct tho!
im assuming that perhaps around 64 or so kluson switched from the single line to the double.
so in all reality, your guitars replacement tuner could be 6mos to a few years older than the rest of the tuners. this is all just a guess tho, based on what was said earlier.

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:45 pm
by robroe
that would make sense!

they didn't use a new one to make a replacement, they used an old one.



thats what I did on my jag-stang when i busted the stock chrome high E string off it back in highschool. I liked the look of the white plastic ones so i got an old vintage one for it. 5 stock metal 1 dirty as fuck old plastic kluson

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:38 pm
by smokes
robroe wrote: thats what I did on my jag-stang when i busted the stock chrome high E string off it back in highschool. I liked the look of the white plastic ones so i got an old vintage one for it. 5 stock metal 1 dirty as fuck old plastic kluson
it's what he (teh kurdtz) would've wanted.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:47 am
by Phil O'Keefe
Yup - looks like an old tuner was used for the repair. The changeover from single line to double was made in early 1964.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:58 am
by othomas2
I have a similar thing on my 61 Jazzmaster... opposite to your problem. Shame they're not the same type or we could have traded...

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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:52 am
by smokes
othomas2 wrote:I have a similar thing on my 61 Jazzmaster... opposite to your problem. Shame they're not the same type or we could have traded...
You can pop the tuning peg and gear out of the casing pretty easily - then you could swap the covers, unless I'm missing some other difference?

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:48 pm
by Auriemma
Take a look here.... Dr. Vintage - Kluson Tuners
I know it's mainly for Gibsons, but you may pull some good info from it.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:15 am
by smokes
oops sorry, I was (potentially) talking out my arse. I've never even tried to open a kluson - I was thinking F tuners.

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:30 pm
by Mages
yeah klusons are crimped on the base. the cover on schaller F tuners just sits over the gears and can be easily removed. early fullterton made F tuners are more firmly affixed, although I've heard some people have pulled them off with some effort. myself, once I saw how difficult they were to remove I just left them.