1960 Red Musicmaster

Ambush1972 · Post by **Ambush1972** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:57 pm

I'm interested in sharing this photo of my 1961 Musicmaster guitar. I think that the color is rare for the year, serial #52922, very good, if not near mint, condition with original case. I love this guitar! Anything I can learn about it is much appreciated.

Thanks, Ambush1972

Sobriquet · Post by **Sobriquet** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:04 pm

Your pic isn't showing up, here or on Facebook.

Ambush1972 · Post by **Ambush1972** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:13 pm

Hope this works!

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:21 am

im about 98% certain thats a refin. And about 90% certain they only came in white and siena sunburst in 1960. but i could be wrong. Any gut shots? How long have you had it?

mkt3000 · Post by **mkt3000** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:26 am

I'm 100% certain that's not an original pickguard.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:42 am

Only aware of 3 red colors in the 60's. Fiesta Red, Dakota Red and Candy Apple Red. The color red often did not get a clear coat, so this would explain lack of clear coat yellowing. But these colors were highly reactive to sunlight and faded. CAR would of been clear coated, otherwise the metallic paint flakes would oxides.

1964 Strat, Dakota (left), CAR (right)

1961 Strat, Fiesta over Dakota over White over Sunburst

1960 Fender Custom Color Chart

Pull the guard off and look for the nail holes. Fender hammered 4 nails in bodies and painted the body on a lazy susan. Original paint job would still show these holes. Refinish would be covered up. You could always send your guitar back to Fender to have it refinished... some times they didn't even refinish your guitar... rather just grabbed an already finished one and sent you on your way with a new body.

cooter · Post by **cooter** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:00 am

This is from the Musicmaster/Duosonic Gallery website for '59-'64 models.

"The standard finishes offered during this period were (in chronological order): tan, shaded sunburst (a 3-color sunburst with maroon instead of black on the outer edge, a.k.a. "maroonburst"), and white. The tan offered was noticeably darker in tint than the Desert Sand used previously. Note that the "shaded sunburst" finish was never available on original series (1-piece maple neck) MM/DS guitars -- the photo of a "sunburst" 1957 Musicmaster shown in nearly all of Tony Bacon's Fender books is an obvious refinish. Towards the end of this period (starting in late summer/early fall 1963), many Fender models were offered with a translucent red finish (initially only on mahogany-bodied guitars). This finish option (commonly referred to as "mahogany red") was short-lived because of problems with getting the paint to stick."

From the picture it appears yours has an opaque finish, not translucent. But it's hard to tell from a photo. I'm guessing refinish as well.

Ambush1972 · Post by **Ambush1972** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:37 pm

Sorry,

Made an error. Guitar was made August 1961 according to inside the neck marking. This guitar is all original, color, pickguard, everything. It was stored in it's case in a closet for most of it's life. Also, thought you might enjoy my 1954 Fender Champ Amp, also all original.

Enjoy!

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jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:47 am

can you post more photos, please?

speedfish · Post by **speedfish** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:11 am

cooterfinger wrote:This is from the Musicmaster/Duosonic Gallery website for '59-'64 models.

"The standard finishes offered during this period were (in chronological order): tan, shaded sunburst (a 3-color sunburst with maroon instead of black on the outer edge, a.k.a. "maroonburst"), and white. The tan offered was noticeably darker in tint than the Desert Sand used previously. Note that the "shaded sunburst" finish was never available on original series (1-piece maple neck) MM/DS guitars -- the photo of a "sunburst" 1957 Musicmaster shown in nearly all of Tony Bacon's Fender books is an obvious refinish. Towards the end of this period (starting in late summer/early fall 1963), many Fender models were offered with a translucent red finish (initially only on mahogany-bodied guitars). This finish option (commonly referred to as "mahogany red") was short-lived because of problems with getting the paint to stick."

From the picture it appears yours has an opaque finish, not translucent. But it's hard to tell from a photo. I'm guessing refinish as well.

I'm inclined to believe that it's refinished, but neither this one or the one in Tony Bacon's book are necessarily refinished as you had the option to order in custom colors back in the day. The custom color option remains a thorn in many collectors side. Unfortunately I don't recall what year Fender stopped offering this option and don't have time to reference any books this morning.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:08 pm

fiesta red with gold hardware and pearl guard in 1961? if it's original it's a one-off.

serfx · Post by **serfx** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:07 pm

could have been a custom order. Fender was known for doign that back then, on guitars they don't give a fuck about now.

Ambush1972 · Post by **Ambush1972** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:33 am

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MattK · Post by **MattK** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:13 am

Wow, nice one. A custom order for sure, I have never heard of gold hardware on a Musicmaster. Maybe some wealthy Californian bought it for their son or daughter!

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:01 am

Cool little guitar! Refinish or not, i don't care cause i like it!

cooter · Post by **cooter** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:05 am

That's one clean musicmaster. You said it was stored in a closet most of it's life and it definitely looks it.
Do you know much about the original owner? It's a very interesting guitar. I love the original duos and musicmasters.
I'm actually putting together a '59 parts Duo at the moment. Thanks for posting.

wetbelly · Post by **wetbelly** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:02 pm

I work with a guy that has a '63 duo-sonic II in the same color red. I thought it was a refin too, but it's definitely original. I'm still skeptical about the pickguard on this one, seems like the bevel should be wider, but who knows.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:40 pm

wetbelly wrote:'63 duo-sonic II

duo IIs weren't released until late '64, if he has a '63 i'd be very interested/surprised*

*delete as appropriate

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:52 pm

it is possible that the neck stamp or pot code is 63, but the guitar wasn't purchased until 64. the duo sonic II was offered in the same colors as the mustang. white, red, and blue. white being the most widely done.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:39 am

i think they were still making the old style ones into '64 though, this type:

1960 Red Musicmaster

1960 Red Musicmaster

1961 Red Musicmaster & 1954 Fender Champ Amp All Origina

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