Lightweight cabz

Post by **Doog** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:00 pm

In the never-ending quest to have an affordable and portable solution to a semi-complicated setup, I was looking at going down the neodymium speaker route, then stumbled across these:

1x12 - 7.7kg - Â£336.00

2x12 - 13.5kg - Â£498.00

http://uk.matrixamplification.com/speakers.html

Pretty nifty and have seemed to be getting pretty decent reviews.. anyone ever had a blast on one, or know of any other lightweight options?

meltedbuzzbox · Post by **meltedbuzzbox** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:42 pm

bit of a side track but for the price this is hard to beat and it has a celestion in it

http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_g112vintage.htm

however it says it weighs 14kg

Post by **Doog** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:33 pm

I wish they made those in closed back, I would've owned a few by now :/

Fakir Mustache · Post by **Fakir Mustache** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:52 pm

You could try one of those Fender ones, Super Champ I guess. It's on that Thomann site if you clock the above link then the 1x12" cabinets in the file directory or whatever you call at on that page at the top below the main menu.

Costs twice as much as the Harley Benton, but it's closed back and it says a few kilos less. I don't remember if I tried lifting one, but I did play one in a shop and quite liked the sound.

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:38 pm

Why not buy some tolex and mdf and close the back yersel? I did it with my cab (it's got two neodymium speakers) then I changed my mind and went back to stock.

Sloan · Post by **Sloan** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:30 pm

put some of these mofukas on it

or just get an axe fx or some shit and plug in a pa.

Gabriel · Post by **Gabriel** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:49 pm

DV Mark make a 1x12 that is under 7kg. If I ever go down the head/cab route I'd be after one of these:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/dv_mark_c112_s ... abinet.htm

Also I don't know what head you're using but my guitar tutor has started using a ISP Stealth power amp with either a Joyo or more recently an AMT preamp. Both the preamp and power amp fit inside the pouch in a gig bag and are super loud! This setup has replaced using a fender twin and he's much happier. This is a route I may go down at some point.

For me however, I stuck a neo speaker in my Rivera and just cart it around on a trolley. I just pile my pedalboard and music stand on top of my amp and unless the amp falls over going down a curb I'm fine.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:21 am

The Orange PPC112 is as light as a feather, srs. Not sure about the 2x12s, I guess they're more awkward.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:53 am

Unfortunately the PPC212 is predictably twice as heavy as the 14kg 1x12 version (technically more according to Orange's site, 32.65kg and boasts of 13 ply high density birch), I've been after one for a less weighty alternative to my 1960A though. Love the idea of getting to try Vintage 30s with my plexis while my backline looks cool as fuck but weight is the primary concern for whatever cab I settle on so I'll have to find one and give it a damn good lift.

Post by **Doog** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:28 am

paul_ wrote: so I'll have to find one and give it a damn good lift.

Buslols

Tim: I converted that Valvestate I had a few years back into closed-back; it just ended up sounded boomy and rattly, not suiting my octavey guitar sound at all. It seems sometimes fucking with the construction of something supposedly made to be as acoustically 'sound' as possible is bad times.

Post by **Doog** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:42 am

Gabriel wrote:DV Mark make a 1x12 that is under 7kg. If I ever go down the head/cab route I'd be after one of these:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/dv_mark_c112_s ... abinet.htm

Also I don't know what head you're using but my guitar tutor has started using a ISP Stealth power amp with either a Joyo or more recently an AMT preamp. Both the preamp and power amp fit inside the pouch in a gig bag and are super loud! This setup has replaced using a fender twin and he's much happier. This is a route I may go down at some point.

For me however, I stuck a neo speaker in my Rivera and just cart it around on a trolley. I just pile my pedalboard and music stand on top of my amp and unless the amp falls over going down a curb I'm fine.

That's interesting, I saw some cheap DV-branded neodymium speakers on EBay recently, didn't realise they did cabs too. Annoyingly, at that price point, I'd sooner travel to Andertons and try out one of the Matrix NL112 cabs in person.

I'm basically looking at using a small PA head as my amp; something with dual poweramps so I can run one channel to a bass cab and one to a guitar cab, all from the same unit. I'm such an edge case now haha.

Concretebadger · Post by **Concretebadger** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:22 am

Since you're a fellow UK person, Zilla might be a good bet. They do a number of 1x12s with your own choice of speaker, plus custom options. I love my 2x12 and the customer service is superb.

By the looks of things their lightest 1x12 is 7kg unloaded. I can't recall the exact spec of the birch ply they use, but I believe it's slightly thinner than the stuff Orange build theirs with. 15mm is the standard, but I'm sure they can use others...with the caveat that it will make the end result sound different (possibly for the worse).

Gabriel · Post by **Gabriel** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:07 am

The ISP stealth would be perfect for that kind of rig. It has 2 separate stereo channels that run to two separate outputs!

Johno · Post by **Johno** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:00 am

Doog wrote:In the never-ending quest to have an affordable and portable solution to a semi-complicated setup, I was looking at going down the neodymium speaker route, then stumbled across these:

1x12 - 7.7kg - Â£336.00

2x12 - 13.5kg - Â£498.00

http://uk.matrixamplification.com/speakers.html

Pretty nifty and have seemed to be getting pretty decent reviews.. anyone ever had a blast on one, or know of any other lightweight options?

Lot of money for is essentially a wooden box, invest that money in tools & build one.

How much do the cheap Harley Bentons weigh?

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:37 am

Johno wrote:nvest that money in tools & build one.

Most useful suggestion since...

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:39 am

Gabriel wrote:The ISP stealth would be perfect for that kind of rig. It has 2 separate stereo channels that run to two separate outputs!

This is really cool. Wish I had need for one. Have you heard one in the flesh? Good toanz?

Johno · Post by **Johno** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:51 am

timhulio wrote:
Johno wrote:nvest that money in tools & build one.
Most useful suggestion since...

Are you driving a Volvo Estate at the moment Tim?

I will be looking to get something similar in the near future, just completed my 2nd year carpentry & need a vehicle that I can use to transport materials & tools but also family.

Post by **Doog** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:57 am

timhulio wrote:
Johno wrote:nvest that money in tools & build one.
Most useful suggestion since...

Haha, quite. A speaker cab with a warrantee, made by someone with a track record, is going to sound way better and last way longer than anything I could be bothered to put together on my first attempt at making a cab. I'd rather spend time and effort on the music side, really. But a fair point for anyone with their own workshop.

Gabe, that ISP poweramp looks aces! If I didn't also need 2 EQ-able preamp channels as well, I'd be all over it.

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:27 am

Johno wrote:Are you driving a Volvo Estate at the moment Tim?

I will be looking to get something similar in the near future, just completed my 2nd year carpentry & need a vehicle that I can use to transport materials & tools but also family.

I used to have one of these, '99 Volvo V40, which was great for band lugging. Pretty economical, really comfortable and cheap to insure. They stopped making them 10 years ago now, so you might look at the V50 which my brother has and says is decent.

I've had a BMW estate like this one for five years now, and it's not been as expensive to run as you might imagine. Really reliable, but not too good for band stuff as the load area sucks compared to the Volvo. Good for driving long distances though, never feels like a slog.

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:32 am

Doog, my lightweight cab (can you call it Fender style?) is one of these from Tube Amp Doctor. Seems they're a bit spendy. I didn't pay that - must have been an ebay purchase. The quality is great, and it's much lighter than the Marshall style cabs.

This is mine:
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/shop_Speaker_Cabinets_2x12_quot_Speaker_Cabinets/2x12_Speaker_Cabinet_Fender_Blackface_Style_864

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