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Has anyone had any experience with this pedal? I've read a lot of good reviews and seems pretty good on the demos. It's supposedly their interpretation of the green Russian big muff but I think with more of a punch.
Or has anyone tried any of their other fuzz pedals?
Or any other recommendations to look into?

I've had a Big muff and fuzz factory, so something different from those two. I do know I plan on buying Mikes 78 IC Muff soon hopefully once I get so more money rolling in.

Hoofs are rad dude. I've had the normal one and now i'm using the hoof/reaper, i even sold all my actual bmp's because they didn't get used. The only thing they won't do is a splattery fuzz; so if that's what you're after, you will need to look at other fuzzes.

In my experience with eqd, they're top notch but some of their pedals can be a little overwhelming to get dialed in (looking at you rainbow machine and bit commander). The hoof was one that was easy to dial in, as are the majority of their dirt pedals.

I've not tried a Hoof, but bradzeera's experience is pretty typical of the other reviews I've read of them. They have a good rep, as with a lot of EQD stuff.

I'm a bit of a Muff fanboy (I have a long-standing obsession with Boris, the Pumpkins and Pink Floyd to thank for that) so I've tried several versions over the years. It's a bit of a cop-out answer, but your own setup and application do have quite a major impact on which one's going to work for you. One advantage of the Hoof (and Mike's pedal builds, if you ask for one) is a mids knob, which can address the issue of not cutting through in a live situation. As far as recording goes, it's less of a problem IME because you have the chance to mess around with eq'ing.

I don't know what version you have, but the EHX reissues sound somewhat different from the numerous earlier versions. The best resource is Kit Rae's BMP site (LANK), which provides all the info you'd ever need, and then some.

So far, my personal experience with muffs has been:

-Triangle: mild, lower gain, good for Gilmour stuff and palm muting. More of a thick scooped distortion than a fuzz.
-Russian: more cello-like and low-midrangey, but still fairly transparent. Think "Thickfreakness"-era Black Keys.
-IC: gritty, crunchy, more high mids. Less subtle. Billy Corgan toanz.
-EHX reissue: saturated, scooped, loads of gain, unsubtle but the Little Big Muff is less choked and gated-sounding. The Tone Wicker version is more versatile, and the Bass BMP is apparently similar to the Russian era.

The playing and the sound quality are crappy, but if it helps, I hurriedly threw together an audio comparison not long ago of the different Muffs that I own, played with the same guitar and amp to give an idea of how they compare with each other ANOTHER LANK

bradzeera wrote:Hoofs are rad dude. I've had the normal one and now i'm using the hoof/reaper, i even sold all my actual bmp's because they didn't get used. The only thing they won't do is a splattery fuzz; so if that's what you're after, you will need to look at other fuzzes.

In my experience with eqd, they're top notch but some of their pedals can be a little overwhelming to get dialed in (looking at you rainbow machine and bit commander). The hoof was one that was easy to dial in, as are the majority of their dirt pedals.

Thanks for your input, I'm actually a big EQD fan myself and have one of those pedals that can be overwhelming, "Afterneath". Frusterating at first but they give you a page of detailed instructions for each knob and what they do, and after you fiddle around with it for a while you start to figure it out and begin to appreciate it for its versatility and complexity.

Have you tried their Cloven hoof too? I was actually mostly interested in that at first but not so sure now.

Concretebadger wrote:I've not tried a Hoof, but bradzeera's experience is pretty typical of the other reviews I've read of them. They have a good rep, as with a lot of EQD stuff.

I'm a bit of a Muff fanboy (I have a long-standing obsession with Boris, the Pumpkins and Pink Floyd to thank for that) so I've tried several versions over the years. It's a bit of a cop-out answer, but your own setup and application do have quite a major impact on which one's going to work for you. One advantage of the Hoof (and Mike's pedal builds, if you ask for one) is a mids knob, which can address the issue of not cutting through in a live situation. As far as recording goes, it's less of a problem IME because you have the chance to mess around with eq'ing.

I don't know what version you have, but the EHX reissues sound somewhat different from the numerous earlier versions. The best resource is Kit Rae's BMP site (LANK), which provides all the info you'd ever need, and then some.

So far, my personal experience with muffs has been:

-Triangle: mild, lower gain, good for Gilmour stuff and palm muting. More of a thick scooped distortion than a fuzz.
-Russian: more cello-like and low-midrangey, but still fairly transparent. Think "Thickfreakness"-era Black Keys.
-IC: gritty, crunchy, more high mids. Less subtle. Billy Corgan toanz.
-EHX reissue: saturated, scooped, loads of gain, unsubtle but the Little Big Muff is less choked and gated-sounding. The Tone Wicker version is more versatile, and the Bass BMP is apparently similar to the Russian era.

The playing and the sound quality are crappy, but if it helps, I hurriedly threw together an audio comparison not long ago of the different Muffs that I own, played with the same guitar and amp to give an idea of how they compare with each other ANOTHER LANK

I can understand your obsession cause I too was obsessed myself for a long while even made an email using big muff and my name lol. Smashing pumpkins were the main reason for the obsession but Gilmour did play a big role too at one point. But mostly smashing pumpkins. I wanted that siamese dream sounding fuzz SO bad for ages and settled with regular big muff that I got back in maybe 05-06?.

Holy shit, I've never seen a site with so much info on big muffs. I don't even know where to start haha. It's all so interesting. Didn't realize they had such a unique history behind them.

Concerning what you said about gear and what not, I have a fender 50's style strat and Squier J. Mascis Jazzmaster and Epiphone Sheraton ii (made in Korea), I just bought a Vox AC15C1 that should be here Thursday, super excited for that.
Although I've read it can be picky pertaining to fuzz pedals and some distortions. Which I hope isn't the case.

Actually, I think I heard your audio comparison in another thread, but feel free to post it again. Was it the one where you didn't put down the times at which you changed pedals? and said to just listen for the clicks? Cause if so, I would highly recommend putting in the time settings at which you changed fuzz's cause I got lost trying to compare them.

Welp the timing seemed to be right, since I didn't expect Sam Ash to carry them. So i tried it and loved it.

Right on man! I would say i'm surprised you loved it, but it's been on my board for around 5 years for a reason. What's the guitar/amp set up you're using it with?

The Sam Ash stores have been doing really well setting themselves apart from GC. I think stocking stuff like eqd regularly is a big part, i seem to be looking there more frequently for higher end pedals. Which is convenient because you just pushed me to pull the trigger on a cloven hoof (which i haven't tried yet) but since it's so close to the reg hoof i know it will fit in with my setup and do the gross fuzz thing.

bradzeera wrote:Right on man! I would say i'm surprised you loved it, but it's been on my board for around 5 years for a reason. What's the guitar/amp set up you're using it with?

The Sam Ash stores have been doing really well setting themselves apart from GC. I think stocking stuff like eqd regularly is a big part, i seem to be looking there more frequently for higher end pedals. Which is convenient because you just pushed me to pull the trigger on a cloven hoof (which i haven't tried yet) but since it's so close to the reg hoof I know it will fit in with my setup and do the gross fuzz thing.

Thanks, man! I have a fender Stratocaster 50th-anniversary edition (all gold), and two new guitars. I got the Squier J. Mascis Jazzmaster a month ago and just bought a Les paul 50's tribute 2016 (Satin Honeyburst).
And also just got a new amp, Vox AC15C1 which I currently love to death now. Kinda glad I got the Vox instead of a Fender Amp, fender amps are nice but always felt to "twangy" for my musical taste. And the this Vox doesn't have that at all. It has nice Highs and Lows but not twangy.

You are right about Sam Ash, and its funny I didn't think there were any around me and I asked Siri just for a music store instead of Guitar center cause they very little for pedals, amps, and guitars. And saw that there was a sam ash close by, went there and won't go back to guitar center again lol. I definitely agree that since Sam Ash has introduced more boutique high-end pedals, it's making them come out ahead. The Sam Ash around me was huge with so many EQD, Walrus, and other higher end pedals. And even boutique amps. It was pretty cool.

I've wanted to try the cloven hoof out the most! But they didn't have it. Since it seems to have much more fuzz potential. The hoof does have a nice fuzz sound to it though. Even with the fuzz lowered giving it an almost distortion like sound but still retain its fuzz. Able to mess around with the mids

Corsair wrote:Thanks, man! I have a fender Stratocaster 50th-anniversary edition (all gold), and two new guitars. I got the Squier J. Mascis Jazzmaster a month ago and just bought a Les paul 50's tribute 2016 (Satin Honeyburst).
And also just got a new amp, Vox AC15C1 which I currently love to death now. Kinda glad I got the Vox instead of a Fender Amp, fender amps are nice but always felt to "twangy" for my musical taste. And the this Vox doesn't have that at all. It has nice Highs and Lows but not twangy.

You are right about Sam Ash, and its funny I didn't think there were any around me and I asked Siri just for a music store instead of Guitar center cause they very little for pedals, amps, and guitars. And saw that there was a sam ash close by, went there and won't go back to guitar center again lol. I definitely agree that since Sam Ash has introduced more boutique high-end pedals, it's making them come out ahead. The Sam Ash around me was huge with so many EQD, Walrus, and other higher end pedals. And even boutique amps. It was pretty cool.

I've wanted to try the cloven hoof out the most! But they didn't have it. Since it seems to have much more fuzz potential. The hoof does have a nice fuzz sound to it though. Even with the fuzz lowered giving it an almost distortion like sound but still retain its fuzz. Able to mess around with the mids

That setup has to sound killer! I'm using an ac30 after having a hot rod for awhile, totally get what you mean about that twangy quality but i kinda miss it. Does the ac15 have the two separate channels? If so get an aby and you can use it as a 3 channel amp.
I always go to sam ash if i'm near the closest one to me, but i live closer to a non-chain store that will order me cool things at some pretty awesome deals if i know exactly what i want (how i got the ac30). But boutique pedals, sam ash is so awesome for their selection.
I really like the cloven hoof too, but i'm back to going back and forth on it. The normal hoof is just like how you described, super-freaking-versatile, not to mention how it retains a lot of clarity as you bring the gain up. Stacking other dirt pedals with it sounds great too, check out the mooer juicer if you want an awesome boost for the hoof.